I loved interviewing Jen Ruiz, Jen on a Jet Plane, to learn more about her as an accomplished travel content creator, author, and lawyer. Jen has dedicated her life to exploring the far corners of the globe, uncovering hidden gems, and sharing invaluable travel tips with her audience. Her insatiable passion for adventure has taken her around the world, and she is a true authority on all things travel. Get ready to be inspired, as we embark on an unforgettable journey with Jen, unraveling her remarkable tales and learning about her portfolio of projects.
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TRANSCRIPT from our interview below: (filmed 19 July 2023)
Lisa Niver:
Good morning. This is Lisa Niver, founder of We Said Go Travel and author of Brave-ish, One Breakup, Six Continents and Feeling Fearless after 50. I am so honored and excited to be here with Jen. Hi Jen.
Jen Ruiz:
Hi Lisa. Thank you for having me.
Lisa Niver:
I loved hearing you speak at Women’s Travel Fest, and I know everybody there in New York was so excited to learn from you. And, the accolades just never stop. You have the TED Talk, Amazon top bestselling books, and you have a brand new project! Congratulations.
Jen Ruiz:
Thank you very much. I work hard.
Lisa Niver:
You do work very hard and I loved watching your TED talk and we’ll put it in the notes if people want to have the opportunity to learn from your brilliance. My book has 50 challenges before I turned 50. Many people talk to me about ageism and how we represent older women. You’re talking about being 29, turning 30, and the stereotypes of the box of “this is what women must do.” Talk about your TED Talk and 29 turning 30 and what inspired your life of being on the road.
Jen Ruiz:
Absolutely. So for me, it was very much a pressure because I’ve always been an overachiever. It’s just been a lifelong thing for me. Turning 30, which is a big milestone birthday, I feel like it’s the first milestone birthday where the birthday matters not in an eager way, but in an anxious way. Because at 10, you’re not realizing it. At 20, you’re wanting to get to 21 so you can drink, but 30 becomes the point where you’re like, oh man, it’s getting real. Now, I’m an adult and there are things that are expected of me. Am I where I want to be in life? It’s where you really start reckoning with yourself. And as a woman particularly, as a single woman, who was very successful in her career. I had already started getting a lot of comments about why I wasn’t married, why I didn’t have children, if I was at all worried about my clock stopping, being able to have healthy children, having geriatric pregnancies.
What was wrong with me that I was still single, what is my fatal flaw that has made all men decide to run the other way? And so it felt like even though I had achieved so much up until that point, that I had still failed in the most quintessential way of what is expected of a woman, which is to be a wife and a mother. And I hadn’t reached that by 29. I had so much pressure on myself to try to reach that in the way where in my twenties I worked so hard to mold myself to be what I thought men wanted to try to accommodate them. Now as a 35 year old woman, none of that is happening. I will not bake you your favorite meal while dressed in really amazing clothing.
All of that is something that I did in my twenties to try to prove my worth. And I realized that despite doing all of that, I didn’t get the results that were expected of me. I felt like there was something inadequate about me as a result. My option was either to take that year and continue trying to mold myself, continue swiping on dating apps, continue trying to find somebody and be the perfect person that they might one day want to marry. I could take that year and actually try to live for myself, actually send off my twenties in style. Actually take that last year of my “wild and free youth days,” right? I’m very aware of the passing of time. I was very aware that I was not going to get my twenties back and that I had spent my twenties living for others, achieving things, going straight through law school, straight to taking the bar straight into practicing law.
I hadn’t actually really taken the time to do anything for me. I had a Tinder date and we were supposed to spend New Year’s Eve together in New York. I thought this might be a really fun thing. I’ve never celebrated New Year’s in New York, which I’m actually so glad I didn’t do because I hear people wear diapers to go there <laugh> because you have to stay in the same spot for over 12 hours. It actually sounded horrible and I think I dodged the bullet there as I did with all the other men that it didn’t work out with. But I thought at the time I had glamorized this guy who was not my boyfriend, he’s made that very clear, but who I’ve been dating for six months.
We had plans for New Year’s. He was in med school and he ended up ghosting me in early December. At this point, of course I had paid for the tickets. Of course I had paid for the hotel room. Of course I had done everything right because this is the poor med school guy. And I’m just so desperate to get him to go so that I can celebrate New Year’s with a partner and have a midnight’s kiss and not be watching my parents kiss at midnight or everybody else kiss at midnight or trying to not have random guy kiss me at midnight, which is how all my other New Years had gone. I want that quintessential New Year’s. And I didn’t get it. I got ghosted early December and I got stuck with these two tickets.
I ended up trading that all in and using that money that I had spent instead to take myself to Athens, Greece, where I celebrated the New Year’s by myself. I actually celebrated it on a plane. It was midnight when I was, flying on my way into Athens. And I remember thinking wow, I really love celebrating New Year’s on a plane. Because there isn’t a countdown. No one’s trying to kiss me. I don’t feel inadequate. Nobody even knows what time it is. Because everybody’s come from a different place. This is the best new year I’ve ever had and it’s just been a minute into it. My birthday’s January 3rd, so the beginning of the year coincides with a new year for me. It’s a big transition time. I spent that birthday really finding joy in my own company.
I did all the things I wanted to do. I remember I specifically found a woman from a Rick Steve supplement that I reached out to her and splurged on a private tour with her of the Acropolis Museum. She was so educated and she knew so much and all the guards knew her. Even when they were closing, we were able to stay 15 minutes extra. It really felt like I was a VIP with her. At the end of that she said, you’re going to find your person when you find them. In the meantime you have a home here with me in Greece anytime you want to visit. I remember feeling so lifted by all of those interactions that when I came back, I thought to myself, how can I keep that feeling going for the rest of the year so I don’t slip back into that fear, that insecurity, those feelings of inadequacy. I wanted to stay empowered. Stay really happy naturally just for existing, which is what traveling was bringing me. I decided to take 12 trips in 12 months as a challenge. I was working full-time as an attorney, so it was going to be a challenge to figure out how to afford it. It was going be a challenge to figure out how to get time off. And all of those challenges kept me hyper-focused on my goal instead of anxious and panicking over turning 30.
Lisa Niver:
Wow. I I think it’s so true what you’re saying, that there’s this little box that we put women in, and you’re right, it’s about feeling inadequate and feeling shamed. And we do this strange thing when people get into college instead of saying– wow, we’re so proud of you. We say, “What’s your major?” And when I got married, people asked me immediately, “When are you having a baby?” And for you turning 30, “What’s wrong with you?” In my twenties, I ended up at medical school and I had to make a choice. Did I want to spend all my 20s in this building all day long? Do I want to be in training all of my twenties? I’ve been in school forever. And I ended up going on leave and leaving graduate school. I ended up working at Club Med. That’s what started me on traveling. I thought, “Is this the life I want?” So you did this challenge 12 trips in 12 years and you are an attorney, but I loved what you said in your TED Talk that you actually had a side hustle. You were teaching English to afford these trips.
Jen Ruiz:
Yes. 12 months, not 12 years.
Lisa Niver:
YES, 12 trips in 12 months. And you’re working on a book about it?
Jen Ruiz:
Yes, I am writing a memoir about that year in particular. It was definitely challenging. I ended up taking 20 trips to 41 cities across 11 countries and I used all my sick leave. I called out sick from a hot air balloon in Albuquerque for the Albuquerque Hot Air Balloon Festival. I called out sick to go to Epcot, for a VIP taping of the Chew. I remember thinking I hope my boss isn’t watching me on TV right now eating this delicious chocolate croissant <laugh>. I really felt like the time is now, if I don’t do it now, I’m not ever going to get the chance to do this again. When I was at a private firm, I never took my sick days or any leave.
I would work Thanksgiving Day and Christmas day. I remember being at a party on Christmas day and being at a pizza party that they took us to after one o’clock. I remember thinking it would be a better gift to just let me go home instead of being here at this obligatory Christmas party with all you people that I don’t want to spend Christmas with <laugh>. It was horrible. I had already sacrificed so much that I didn’t allow myself to feel guilty about using every single hour that had been allocated to me as time that I had off. I was able to afford the trips by taking on a second job teaching English online every morning before work. I would, not have the energy to do this now at 35. Not even now just a few years later.
I don’t know how I did it then, the young energy of the twenties. But, I would be teaching from 2:00 AM to 8:30 AM I’d very quickly throw on a suit and then I’d head into work at 9:00 AM. I would do that to make an extra 1500 to $2,000 a month because when I had asked for a raise as an attorney, I’d gotten a $5,000 raise and it came out to an extra hundred dollars a paycheck or something negligible. Whereas making that side hustle money allowed me to actually have a real cushion where I could pay for those trips. I needed to learn how to budget within that amount, find affordable flights through travel hacking and budget airlines. I went to the library. Those still exist and they are my favorite places.
I rented out the entire section. You can take 22 books at a time. I would take an entire pile of books home and read how to travel better. Scott Keys, who’s the owner of Scott’s Chief Flights, had a few books that were out and that was basically my bible of how can I save money on these trips and how can I get there for the money I have allocated. I made it work and at the end of that year had used up all my leave. I still had one other trip booked in February of the next year to Portugal that I had found for $300 round trip.
I still had one or two sick days left. Part of my strategy was to take off a Friday or a Monday, I’d go for a long weekend andI’d time it around a holiday. I was very grateful to have coworkers that were happy to step in if anything happened while I was gone. I purposely didn’t schedule things for days that I knew I was going to be away. And I remember that trip in February for Portugal. I actually did schedule an orthodontist appointment at the time because I wanted to feel justified. I actually did go to the doctor today on this sick day that I have used. And I remember my boss textedme when I called out sick and said, “You’re only supposed to be out sick for actual sick days.”
I said, “I’m in the doctor’s office right now.” I’m here in the doctor’s office this morning and then in the afternoon I was supposed to be leaving from Miami, which was a two hour drive from Naples where I was working. That whole interaction with my boss and being called out even on that day where I actually was not on a balloon but actually in the doctor’s office rattled me so much that I made it all the way to Miami and I didn’t realize that I had left my passport in the house. At that point I was too late to go back the two hour drive to Naples and make it back to Miami. My flight was so cheap that they were not able to reschedule me on the next flight going out that weekend.
So I lost everything that I had planned for that weekend in Portugal. I ultimately didn’t go and I was so angry. I didn’t want to let that weekend go to waste so that weekend I went home and I thought something’s coming out of this weekend one way or the other. And in those two days, I wrote my first book. By March, I had self-published it. In April, it was already a bestseller in eight categories. Later that year, I won a reader’s favorite award and then by end of April I quit my job.
Lisa Niver:
Wow. You are definitely a one woman force!
Jen Ruiz:
<Laugh>.
Lisa Niver:
In your Ted talk, you mention the pressure on women as mothers and wives and living up to the standard, like you’re joking about I’m not going to cook in my fancy clothes, but many people feel pressure that they can’t even take a sick day when they’re sick. I think that’s evolved somewhat with the COVID rollercoaster. Certainly the time you’re talking about 2017, a couple years before that it was different and there still is pressure. So some people are listening– thinking I could never do this. I could never work in the morning. People have a lot of excuses. Basically what you’re saying is I committed. What inspired this love of travel? Did you travel with your family when you were very young or did you study abroad? What made travel so appealing? What hooked into your psyche about getting out?
Jen Ruiz:
I realized I have always been the same person. Even as I look back, hindsight being 20/20, I’ve realized certain things. Taking the sick days for work, I used to cut school a lot in high school to do what I thought were mental health days. I had straight A’s in high school, so I would tell my mom, I’m taking a mental health day today. I’m going to the store at the mall to try on pretty princess dresses and the pretty prom dresses and then get some ice cream. I had the flexibility because I was such a good student because I was already doing well on the SATs because I was already getting straight A’s because I was already in all the AP classes and I wasn’t suffering.
So my mom gave me leeway. Now I didn’t have leeway to go out at night after the sunset and the automatic lights came on, on the street I had to be in, because I was still the first daughter and my mom was very overprotective. But I did get leeway during the day on how to spend my day. So I realized that I’ve always been that same person. I’ve always still taken those days and felt that as long as I have my things together, as long as I’m still performing, why do you care what I do with my time? If I have the same output, if I’m still getting A’s, I got a full scholarship to college. So that’s the goal of doing well in high school. I’ve just always felt like I should be in charge of my own time and how I do it.
And that’s why I thrive now as an entrepreneur because I do have that self discipline. My mom was a teacher and later worked her way up to be a principal. So sometimes she would come and take a cut day with me. She would say, I’m going join you. Let’s go for lunch at the Colombian restaurant. Those are my most fond memories. I can recall one or two things I actually did in school, but every single day that I cut school with my mom, every single day that I went and actually enjoyed myself were the formative things in my mind where I thought this is what it’s all about. It’s not just about sitting in a desk and doing the routine and being a warm body in a chair. It’s about actually living.
I never got to go to summer camp. I never got to go to anybody’s sleepovers. I could have people come sleep over my house, but I could not sleep over anybody’s house. I could not be out past a certain time at night. So she made it fun during the day. Instead of going to summer camp, we had mommy’s great summer camp. Since she had the summers off, instead of me going to a sleepaway camp, we would do a different educational activity. We would go and visit Longwood Gardens in Philadelphia. We would go to Amish country and learn about how the Amish people lived and try their delicious home churned ice cream which is so good.
Very early on, it sparked an interest in me in learning. And that’s why I love traveling. I just got back from Oklahoma and people are surprised to see me in Oklahoma. There’s something to be experienced. There’s something to be seen. There are stories to be told. There are people to meet everywhere in the world. And I get just as excited about going to Oklahoma as I do about going to Thailand. To me, they’re equivalent because I’m going to have fun everywhere I go, meeting new people, learning new things, seeing that. And that’s something that she really instilled in me from a young age. When I graduated high school with honors/cum laude, full scholarship to college my mom and I went together and did a trip to Europe.
She had never been to Europe before. My mom is Puerto Rican. She had been raised on the island. She hadn’t really traveled much. And this was our first international trip. And so she did it at the time through AAA and Trafalgar, the tour group. And she paid so much money for that and she was in the middle of a divorce, so she really didn’t have the money. I knew that it was a stretch for her to pay for that trip for two weeks in Switzerland, Italy, France, the UK. All the major hits around Europe in Rome, Venice, Paris.
I realized pretty quickly while in Italy, our first stop– there was one meal where they were feeding us peas and ham. I remember saying, “Mom, why are we in Italy eating frozen peas and ham provided by the tour group? I could throw a rock and hit 20 delicious pasta restaurants right outside of this hotel.” At the time, because I still love libraries, I used to go to the library every day after school for about three hours until my mom got off work and could come and pick me up. A library is my safe space. I had gone to the library and I had rented the Europe for Dummies book and it says that we can go here, here and here.
I’m pretty confident that I can get us to these places just with the knowledge in this book. Let’s ditch the tour. Let’s keep them for the intercity transport obviously, and the hotel nights that we’ve already paid for. But I’m done. I refuse to eat frozen peas and ham in Italy. I know I can do better. We ditched the tour and we went around like Rome at night and we took a day trip out to Stonehenge that she’d always wanted to see and that wasn’t in our itinerary. She said, “Are you sure?” And I said, “Yes, mom. You just get on the train and then you get off the train and then you’re there.”
I had taken public transportation for high school. So I was already very familiar. I got us around Europe with the Europe for Dummies book and we had a better time with the itineraries that I picked from the book then with whatever was pre-planned professionally by Trafalgar. That was my first instinct where I can do this travel thing and I can do it well. When I was graduating law school, I realized that I had done seven years of schooling without any study abroad period because I was so busy running for student government, being on the model UN team, being super over involved. I actually purposely took a class in international law to be able to then apply to work with law reform commissions around the world for summer. I got accepted to work with the Australian Law Reform Commission in Sydney.
The year before I graduated law school, I spent a summer in Sydney, Australia by myself. Everybody else doing this program was going with someone else from their school. I went on my own, I knew I would figure it out. That was my first time being literally across the world, a whole different opposite time zone from everybody I knew. I did not know anybody. I think for the three week mark–when you get really hit with homesickness, where you’re like, oh, I miss all the foods. I know I miss talking to people. But once you make it over that hump, then you actually think this is awesome. I never wanna go home. I loved Australia. I had a great time. I mean, I met a kangaroo, a koala while I was there.
I saw the Sydney Harbor bridge and the Sydney vivid lights. I met a handsome guy there who was one of the cutest guys I’ve ever dated. I had a whole time there in Australia that was amazing. I knew I liked travel and it wasn’t something I had a lot of time for when I started practicing. The year before my 12 trips in 12 months challenge, when I transitioned from the private law firm to the nonprofit law firm where I at least had federal holidays at least I didn’t have to work on Christmas at least I had, 4th of July off, I actually did a mini challenge and I took six trips that year to Machu Picchu, to Barcelona, to Rocky Mountain National Park. I loved it so much that was part of what sparked the then 12 trips in 12 months challenge. And now it’s what I do for a living.
Lisa Niver:
Yes, you do. So you have five bestselling books on Amazon where you are really helping people do some of what you did. You have the flight information and you have this whole series of incredible books and your memoir is coming next year, which will be even more inspiration. One of the things I think that people don’t realize is how much in the moment you have to be when you’re traveling. When you’re out, you have to focus on finding where to eat and the train. For me, it is very invigorating. One of the things in your TED Talk, you talked about loneliness as an epidemic and loneliness as something dangerous. People do get so worried, who will I go with? Who will I talk to? Can you speak about that. I know for myself, when I was traveling in Asia, if you are by yourself, everybody wants to know what are you doing? And if you stay in a hostel, everybody bands together, I went to the Xi’an Warriors from a hostel and we all went on the bus following the directions from the Lonely Planet. Get on bus six and get off after four stops and walk six blocks. Just like you said about Italy, it doesn’t seem that hard.
Jen Ruiz:
It can be intimidating, especially for women who have this fear of going alone, of eating alone, of safety. Having grown up in Philadelphia, gone to law school in Baltimore, which are crime heavy places, I felt like I could survive pretty much anywhere. I’d taken self-defense classes. I know avoidance is the best self-defense. If you see something crazy, walk across the street, give yourself distance to be able to react. I love eating alone. It’s my favorite thing to do. I do it all the time, even when I’m home, because it means I can eat anything I want and stuff my face completely. I don’t have to worry about being dainty. I don’t have to worry about anybody watching me.
Jen Ruiz:
I can always get the appetizer, the drink and the dessert. I don’t have to pick one. I can do all of them. And then abroad you actually have wifi in restaurants, it’s much less of an issue. But at the time, sometimes cell service was spotty, so being at a restaurant was the one place where I can actually take my time and decompress. I can look through my pictures, upload things, message my mom, make sure she knows I’m okay. I could take that time just for me. And I loved it. I have always been asked, a table for one, and then next thing you know, everybody wants to talk to me. I just came back from Easter Island where I sat down trying to mind my business have a calm dinner.
Jen Ruiz:
I really wanted to have a fancy fish, something really nice. By the time I left dinner that night, which we closed down the restaurant, my entire table was full. Everybody had come to talk to me, first it started with the waiters, then other people from other tables. And I thought, this is what happens. Because when you are in your element, I feel like I’m a light. I’m shining a light and I attract people and I attract things to me. I had an entire opera dedicated to me in Florence because I got there early, which for Italian time is like super early, right? So I was there before anyone else and I spoke to some of the people that are here at the ticket booth and the performers.
Jen Ruiz:
I just was happy and excited. I had good energy and I had paid an extra $20 to sit in the front row. Which I don’t think anybody my age did as there was nobody my age at an opera in Florence. It just wasn’t the top billing for people. But I was really excited to be in this intimate setting, which felt like a church turned performance venue where you could really hear the acoustics. I was really loving it. Halfway through the opera, the man stopped to say we wanna dedicate a song to a special lady in the front row. And I’m looking around wondering who are they dedicating this to? And it’s me. I’m a special lady. And then this man sang to me in the most beautiful Italian song with his deep voice.
Jen Ruiz:
It was so wonderful. And it’s those moments where I feel beyond elated and I just can’t believe that that’s my life. And I get to live in that moment, in that body, it makes me feel alive. It can go either way when I’m vibrating on a much lower frequency, when I’m angry, when I’m annoyed I can chase people away without them even coming near me, right? Like they sense it and the next thing you know, they do a beeline and all of a sudden everything around me is clear. But when that energy is on in the right way, it is endless. The amount of things that come to me all the time, all the free things, everybody that wants to show me stuff, everybody that wants to give me gifts. Like, it’s insane.
Jen Ruiz:
And it really just comes from being happy. I know that that’s crazy and it’s not something that we as Americans really know about or ever live in that element, but just having that attitude of gratitude, curiosity, happiness, to be there, just a general excited energy, it brings so much to me. Whereas I feel or most of us, we live in a state of constantly stressed out, constant scarcity and that repels people and it repels experiences. When I was coming back from one of the trips, I remember telling my brother exactly this and how I just feel so different when I’m traveling than I do when I’m in the office. I feel like a completely different version of myself and I don’t like who I am when I’m in the office. I don’t like who I am when I’m in the courtroom, almost like a warrior trying to like decapitate the opponents, being so vicious and so mean.
Jen Ruiz:
And I love who I am when I’m traveling and my brother said, why don’t you figure out a way to have that same energy all along? I said, ” You are right. I shall quit my job and I shall do this all along. I should just travel all the time. You are correct.” He said–that’s not what I was saying. I still feel that way even though I do it for work, which makes it a little bit more serious than when I do it for leisure. I never get somewhere and forget how lucky I am that people are there to share with me their life’s work. Waiting to meet me excited that they can show me what they do in hopes that I can share it with others.
Jen Ruiz:
It is such a privilege to do what I do and that’s why I don’t care where it is that I’m doing it. I met two indigenous artists in Oklahoma last week and they were waiting there for me the entire morning just to show me their paintings, their textiles. They said- we’ve researched you. We’re following you on Instagram. We’re so excited to meet you. And it’s an honor that people feel that way about me. And even if that meant that I was up at 4:00 AM to catch the 6:00 AM flight. Immediately, I get energized when I have those interactions. And that’s why I know I’m in the right career.
Lisa Niver:
Wow. Well you are definitely a masterclass in being open to opportunities and being grateful and forging your own path. Because you said I’m not giving into the societal pressure of this is what’s meant to be or supposed to be. You are living many people’s dream life as you know. Before we close, I’ve been asking all my guests since my book is coming out soon. I did 50 challenges before I turned 50, and obviously you did your 12 trips, but it was really 20 ‘before you turned 30. I’ve been asking people the most worthwhile challenge and I think you’ve shared so many already. Maybe there’s something about if you give a challenge to other people or what is next for you? You have this huge library of successful books. You’ve clearly traveled all around the planet. Is there a challenge that you are looking forward to or something you haven’t done yet?
Jen Ruiz:
I’m still trying to be the very best version of myself. So right now I am doing a lot of personal challenges. I’ll be running my first half marathon next February. I really want to get in the best shape of my life because I feel like I’ve been very critical on myself, on how I look. I’ve never worn a two-piece bathing suit, even when I was in my twenties. And I could have then. I look at it now and I can’t believe you thought you didn’t look good. Are you crazy? Now it’s, it’s much difficult in my thirties. I’d like to be the healthiest version of me. I’d like to really feel strong and so that’s something that I’m working towards getting to the gym regularly, training for that half marathon, being healthy outside and also being healthy inside.
Jen Ruiz:
I’ve done a lot of work — different therapy, different coaching, really wanting to figure out what are my triggers, how can I better manage them, how can I be more kind and forgiving to myself, less judgmental, things like that. And doing the deeper work that I don’t think you really even think about until you start to see, well, how can I improve myself? Because I think it’s so easy to say it’s everybody else that’s wrong. Instead of what is it about me that I still need to work on? And I still have a lot of things that I’ve identified. So it’s felt very much like an internal and external journey to try to be the best version of me that I can. And I don’t know that this is something I can put a timeline on or be like by the end of the year I’m gonna have it nailed down pat.
Jen Ruiz:
My money mindset was a big thing I had to work on when I switched from law because I thought do I deserve to get paid to do what I do? Do I deserve to be paid more than I did as an attorney? Was being an attorney a more important job than what I do now? Should I just be so grateful to just be hosted instead of asking for money for the work that I do? And so I’ve worked a lot on mindset, I’ve worked a lot on internal things and it’s constant work. I’m very interested in continuing to develop myself internally and externally so that I can be really proud of that final product. I still feel like I’m rough around the edges and I’m trying to shine and mold it and make it into the best it can be. I don’t know that that’ll happen before 40, before 50. It’s probably ongoing. I find myself still sometimes falling back into scarcity and I have to remind myself –you are abundant. You can make things happen so it’s not a set timeline that I can say I’m gonna write 30 blog posts in 30 days or anything like that. But it is my biggest challenge at the moment and something that I’m interested to committing a lot of time to.
Lisa Niver:
Well I can’t wait to keep following you on your journey. I know everyone else is excited about your upcoming book, your current books. So where do people find you? Do you have a certain platform? What’s your best website? How can people learn more?
Jen Ruiz:
Yeah, absolutely. So you can find me at jenonajet plane.com, like leaving on a jet plane. And same thing on all the socials, TikTok, Instagram, Facebook at @Jenonajet plane and on Amazon-my books are under Jen Ruiz.
Lisa Niver:
Thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us. You really are inspiring and I can’t wait to read your books.
Jen Ruiz:
Thank you, Lisa. Likewise.
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